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Brampton... correction to ancient discussion.

Von: nrs22 (nrs22@fsmail.net) [Profil]
Datum: 24.10.2009 21:50
Message-ID: <617d3451-5654-40f7-b1fc-0966b1e5bf0e@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
Newsgroup: uk.telecom

Just a quick comment on an old thread to put the record straight.

Ref:  http://groups.google.com/group/uk.telecom/browse_thread/thread/dfd1f0
c4b1e5ae63




** I waded through the Ofcom files mentioned earlier in the thread,
and found a couple of oddball numbering ranges. The strangest is 01697
**

01697   200000 - 299999  Brampton
016973   20000 -  79999  Wigton
01697   380000 - 389999  Brampton
016973   90000 -  98999  Wigton
016974   20000 -  89999  Raughton Head
01697   500000 - 599999  Brampton
01697   700000 - 719999  Brampton
01697    7200  -  7399   Brampton (* see below)
01697   740000 - 799999  Brampton
01697   900000 - 989999  Brampton




** According to the Excel files on the Ofcom site, Brampton is the
only place left in the UK with 4-digit local numbers, even though it
doesn't have a long STD code. **


In the list above, note that:
01697    7200  -  7399   Brampton

is a typo. It should be:
016977    2000 -   3999  Brampton

Four-figure local dialling DOES work within Brampton 0169 77, but not
from Wigton or Raughton Head.




** Ofcom are also wrong when they refer to a mix of 4-digit and 6-
digit local numbers in Brampton in other documents regarding number
conservation.

No. Ofcom are right. Brampton has a mix of:

- six-figure  numbers in various ranges using the code 01697,

- five-figure numbers (40000 to 49999) using the code 0169 77,

- four-figure numbers  (2000 to  3999) using the code 0169 77.




Older code lists describe the names as

01697 — Brampton
* 0169 73 — Wigton
* 0169 74 — Raughton Head
* 0169 77 — Hallbankgate

Some confusion is being caused by 01697 and 0169 77 both being
described as Brampton with the former code having an active 200000 to
299999 range and the latter code having an active 2000 to 3999 range.




** there's still that oddball 01697 38xxxx range in Brampton smack in
the middle of Wigton's 016973 range. **

016973   20000 -  79999  Wigton
01697   380000 - 389999  Brampton
016973   90000 -  98999  Wigton

Initially I thought you were saying there was an error, with numbers
appearing to overlap.
I see now you're just saying it's an odd allocation.

Reformatting, makes that more clear...

01697 3   20000  -  3   79999  Wigton
01697   3 80000  -    3 89999  Brampton
01697 3   90000  -  3   98999  Wigton

The ranges 6xxxxx and 8xxxxx are currently protected. Perhaps that's
where Wigton five-figure local numbers will be moved to at the point
they are 'upgraded' to six-figure local numbers? Even if the '3' is
just moved from the area code to the local number, I don't see any
other issues.




** Does Brampton actually have 4-digit local numbers? (If so, is it
the only place in the UK that does? Is it at least the only place in
the UK with 8-digit NSN's? If neither, that's a typo that should be
fixed.)  **

Yes, the (0169 77) 2000 to (0169 77) 3999 range is used by Brampton.

They don't have eight digit NSNs. They are nine-digit NSNs.

Ofcom documents list it as 4+4, but that's a simple typo for 5+4. I
guess someone missed out on editing those two entries when they were
supposed to have been changed from 4+4 to 5+4 when the '1' was added
to the area code as a part of PhONEday.

It *is* the last place in the UK with four-figure local numbers.




** You (and the locals) are parsing the code wrongly, as the code for
Brampton is 01697, not 016977. **

No. It really does have four-figure local numbers and the code for
those is 0169 77. They can be dialled as four-figure numbers from
other Brampton numbers, but not from Wigton or Raughton Head.




** My point is that Ofcom says it can't, because it's clearly and
explicitly marked as a four-digit code area (i.e., 01697). In
particular, since there are a lot of Brampton numbers that are in
01697 but not in 016977, I'm inclined to believe that the correct code
is 01697.

That was a typo. For local numbers 2000 to 3999 the area code IS (0169
77) and not the (01697) noted in the original table. Other Brampton
numbers with six figure local numbers are under the 01697 area code,
and there are some five-figure local numbers too.




Finally,

01697   740000 - 799999  Brampton

This should be:

016977   40000 -  49999  Brampton
01697   750000 - 799999  Brampton


The table fixed:

01697    200000 - 299999  Brampton
0169 73   20000 -  79999  Wigton
01697    380000 - 389999  Brampton
0169 73   90000 -  98999  Wigton
0169 74   20000 -  89999  Raughton Head
01697    500000 - 599999  Brampton
01697    700000 - 719999  Brampton
0169 77    2000 -   3999  Brampton
0169 77   40000 -  49999  Brampton
01697    750000 - 799999  Brampton
01697    900000 - 989999  Brampton

In some lists, 0169 77 is listed as Hallbankgate, not as Brampton.







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