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Re: Birmingham and the LMS/MR

"Jonathan Morton" <jonathan.mortonbutignorethispart@btinternet.com> wrote
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>> "Jonathan Morton"  wrote >
>>
>>> Interesting thread, this. Can we deduce from the earlier answers that it
>>> was not regular practice to use the Stanier Pacifics on
>>> Euston-Brum-Wolverhampton traffic after their introduction? To modern
>>> minds, that is surprising.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>
>>    Much of my (mis-spent) youth (just after WW2)  was spent on the
>> platforms at London Road (now, inexplicably, called Manchester
>> Piccadilly) admiring Scots, Jubs, Pats and Black Fives*.  It was a great
>> thrill to see a Stanier Pacific - they appeared only once every Preston
>> Guild.**  I'd be astonished if they were used on
>> Euston-Brum-Wolverhampton traffic - a much shorter journey, with no need
>> for their pulling-power.
>
> That seems to be the answer - that the Pacifics were normally restricted
> to the main line proper. I had previously associated the Jubilees with the
> Sheffield-Bristol main line.
>
> It always surprised me that - if my memory of "Night Mail" is correct - a
> Pacific was not used for this train - especially north of Crewe. It must
> have been a very heavy train. I think it was a Scot in the film.
> Presumably it was banked up Shap and Beattock.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
Different usage of Pacifics vs 4-6-0's wasnt so much a question of pulling
power - a Scot (certainly after rebuilding) could pull most West Coast
trains without problem. However they couldnt go the full distance from
Euston to Scotland without cleaning fire, empty ashpan etc. Whereas
Princesses and Duchesses could do it none stop no problem.
There were several failed attempts to get a Pacific on West Coast line but
were foiled by Anderson in operating department. Pre-Stanier, Scots were
normally used but would only run to Crewe (or Carlisle) where a scottish
shedded engine would take over. However, Stamp didnt like having all these
extrra locos - deemed uneconomic - so Stanier was asked to build engines
that could do the full distance. He chose a pacific and operating department
had to accept that.

The slightly smaller engines (pre-rebuild) of Patriots and Jubilees were
used for shorter main line runs as stated Euston to Wolverhampton but also
to various places from St Pancras. Initially Scots werent allowed on Midland
routes.

HTH
Cheers,
Simon

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