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Re: 3+2 (was What happened to "DMUs"?)

"MIG" <googlespam@doreenbird.co.uk> wrote in message
news:554f455e-8fb4-45a5-9ad6-096f3c01efb6@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 17, 9:54 am, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <48a7401c.186244...@news.individual.net>, at 21:03:43 on Sat,
> 16 Aug 2008, Neil Williams <wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk> remarked:
>
> >3+2 is thus the only feasible way to offer as many people as possible a
> >seat for what is often a long journey. Some people don't like the
> >middle seat and thus choose to stand, but at least it offers that
> >choice.
>
> The choice is often to stand, or sit in the middle seat leaning forward.
> All this talk of shoulder measurements is somewhat academic because in
> practice three people simply *don't* fit if all leaning back.
>
> Then there's the other issue if finding enough floorspace for all the
> pairs of feet!

It's obvious from the design of some modern trains (JLE, 376s) that
they are intended for use by passengers who lack either legs or a top
half to their body.

The former have a padded perch for a bum, above which there is a
clunky emergency thing leaving no room for a top half, although flip
up seats would fit nicely in the space, as demonstrated on the
Northern Line.

The latter have adjacent bum perches at right angles to each other, so
that only one person using them may have legs.

Also, the ludicrous tilt profile of the innner suburban 376s makes it
difficult to balance without splaying legs a lot further out than if
they could be tucked under a flip up seat.

At least in the 2 + 3 375/9s you can squash up against the wall,
without coming up against the hideous immovable armrest of the 2 + 2
versions.  Give me 2 + 3 any day if that's the choice.

3+2 150's are the spawn of satan as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather travel
on a Pacer anyday, even one of the Mersey Travel ones.

Negligble leg room (and I'm only 5ft9 tall), seats so narrow as to render
the centre one useless and aisles too narrow to stand in. And seats in bays
where there is room for no-ones feet. An example of something appearing good
in the brochure (look at the extra seats we've squeezed in!) but being
totally impractical in the real world.

I'd much rather stand than try to squeeze into a seat designed for a child
disguised as something an adult could be comfortable in for any length of
journey.

Dave

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