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Re: BBC - Meeting over cuts to rail service

MIG wrote:

> On Jul 25, 2:13 am, Chris  Tolley <cj...@supanet.com> wrote:
>> MIG wrote:
>>> I would rather travel on a 321 than a Pendolino.
>>
>> f/x: scratches head in disbelief.
>>
>> ... then ...
>>
>> Well, I did travel on a 321 myself today, one of the recently renovated
>> sets that run from Leeds to Donny. It wasn't too bad, but only because I
>> had no plans for admiring the view.
>>
>> In general, though 321/150 and all of that ilk are not my preferred
>> trains because there's nowhere you can sit that gives a decent view.
>> It's certainly true that there are some seats on Pendos where you get no
>> view or a less than ideal one, but there are plenty where it's fine.
>
> This is kind of my point.  321s etc are bloody awful and for a long
> time there wasn't much that was worse, till the Pendolinos came along
> with even worse window views and no room to sit straight and fit even
> fairly small shoulders in.
>
> I share the disbelief that it could end up being nicer to sit in a 321
> than anything (except maybe a 313).

The benchmark for the absolute worst train in service has got to be the
Merseyrail version of the 142. My heart falls whenever I see one. A few
weeks back, I travelled from Carlisle to Lancaster round the Cumbrian
Coast on one. I hated it. The seats are too small and too close
together.

For me, 321/150/etc come next.

I'd put 313s and other PEP derivatives next, although in a remarkable
attempt at contrition for the M142s, the M507 and 508s are very pleasant
to travel in since their latest refurb.

At the other end of the scale, of all the trains I use regularly the
350s are probably the best, and I think much the same about the other
lids of Desiro in service, except that 360s are too cramped (and
appallingly they even have a seat blocking half the width of the gangway
between vehicles).

On the right route, a 142 with the original bus seats can be a real
pleasure to travel in.

I'd put Pendos, Voyagers in the middle somewhere, possibly with some of
the Electrostars slightly above them.

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