Re: Ticket barriers and the law

On Jul 25, 3:55 pm, Chris <chrisjba...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 25 Jul, 14:11, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
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> > On Jul 25, 1:21 pm, <strow...@ls12.net> wrote:
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> > > I'd be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on the following. Would be
> > > particularly interesting if anyone has any example cases they can cite!.
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> > > What offence is committed by someone *in possession of a valid ticket*
> > > who jumps over or otherwise avoids an automated barrier at a railway
> > > (not tube) station?
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> > > What about where the ticket barrier is manned, but the person (likewise
> > > in possession of a valid ticket) walks past/through without offering
> > > the ticket for inspection?
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> > > Does it make any difference in law if the person is challenged by the
> > > barrier staff, but ignores the challenge?
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> > You are required by the bylaws to follow the instructions of an
> > authorised person, which would include a barrier staff member. I'm not
> > entirely sure about the others, but suspect they're legal.
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> > > What about exiting a barrier'ed station in an unconventional fashion
> > > - eg by climbing a wall, using a staff-only exit, hiding in a bag of
> > > rubbish, or being winched aboard a helicopter - likewise while in
> > > possession of a valid ticket.
>
> > Hehe. Some of these would presumably count as trespassing in law.
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> > > Does it make any difference *in law* if the person is in possession
> > > of a valid ticket (eg a season - removing the possibility of fraudulent
> > > re-use) but, rather than offering it up for inspection, offers an
> > > invalid ticket?
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> > Not directly. However, if you offered an invalid ticket, gave your
> > actual name and address, and were summonsed to court, it's unlikely
> > your "but I had a valid ticket - here it is!" defence would get you
> > anywhere with the magistrates.
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> > --
> > John Band
> > john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org
>
> THis enquiry harks back to that troll we had a while ago, concerning
> accessing / leaving stations and whether or not there was any proof
> that he'd actually travelled....
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> Don't encourage them. THis is completely hypothetical - why would
> anyone try & do as described when in possession of a valid ticket?

Probably because of the behaviour of certain station officials.

Or because he (as a citizen of this country) resents the imposition of
barriers or ticket checks across places which are actually public
rights of way.  Or the needless provision of barriers stopping one
from walking from one part of the station to another.
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