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Re: Ticket barriers and the law

On 25 Jul, 14:11, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 1:21 pm, <strow...@ls12.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on the following. Would be
> > particularly interesting if anyone has any example cases they can cite!.
>
> > What offence is committed by someone *in possession of a valid ticket*
> > who jumps over or otherwise avoids an automated barrier at a railway
> > (not tube) station?
>
> > What about where the ticket barrier is manned, but the person (likewise
> > in possession of a valid ticket) walks past/through without offering
> > the ticket for inspection?
>
> > Does it make any difference in law if the person is challenged by the
> > barrier staff, but ignores the challenge?
>
> You are required by the bylaws to follow the instructions of an
> authorised person, which would include a barrier staff member. I'm not
> entirely sure about the others, but suspect they're legal.
>
> > What about exiting a barrier'ed station in an unconventional fashion
> > - eg by climbing a wall, using a staff-only exit, hiding in a bag of
> > rubbish, or being winched aboard a helicopter - likewise while in
> > possession of a valid ticket.
>
> Hehe. Some of these would presumably count as trespassing in law.
>
> > Does it make any difference *in law* if the person is in possession
> > of a valid ticket (eg a season - removing the possibility of fraudulent
> > re-use) but, rather than offering it up for inspection, offers an
> > invalid ticket?
>
> Not directly. However, if you offered an invalid ticket, gave your
> actual name and address, and were summonsed to court, it's unlikely
> your "but I had a valid ticket - here it is!" defence would get you
> anywhere with the magistrates.
>
> --
> John Band
> john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

THis enquiry harks back to that troll we had a while ago, concerning
accessing / leaving stations and whether or not there was any proof
that he'd actually travelled....

Don't encourage them. THis is completely hypothetical - why would
anyone try & do as described when in possession of a valid ticket?

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