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Re: Ticket barriers and the law

Von: John B (spam@johnband.org) [Profil]
Datum: 25.07.2008 15:11
Message-ID: <26ae23e8-25ef-4e60-af5f-fb017507a53c@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
Newsgroup: uk.railway
On Jul 25, 1:21 pm, <strow...@ls12.net> wrote:
> I'd be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on the following. Would be
> particularly interesting if anyone has any example cases they can cite!.
>
> What offence is committed by someone *in possession of a valid ticket*
> who jumps over or otherwise avoids an automated barrier at a railway
> (not tube) station?
>
> What about where the ticket barrier is manned, but the person (likewise
> in possession of a valid ticket) walks past/through without offering
> the ticket for inspection?
>
> Does it make any difference in law if the person is challenged by the
> barrier staff, but ignores the challenge?

You are required by the bylaws to follow the instructions of an
authorised person, which would include a barrier staff member. I'm not
entirely sure about the others, but suspect they're legal.

> What about exiting a barrier'ed station in an unconventional fashion
> - eg by climbing a wall, using a staff-only exit, hiding in a bag of
> rubbish, or being winched aboard a helicopter - likewise while in
> possession of a valid ticket.

Hehe. Some of these would presumably count as trespassing in law.

> Does it make any difference *in law* if the person is in possession
> of a valid ticket (eg a season - removing the possibility of fraudulent
> re-use) but, rather than offering it up for inspection, offers an
> invalid ticket?

Not directly. However, if you offered an invalid ticket, gave your
actual name and address, and were summonsed to court, it's unlikely
your "but I had a valid ticket - here it is!" defence would get you
anywhere with the magistrates.

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John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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